Affidavits of two Republican members of the Board of Canvassers in Wayne County Michigan, who were faced with the task of certifying the 2020 Presidential Election results, and declined to do so based on their concerns of corruption and voter fraud, were targets of intimidation, their sworn statements shows.
Remember these statements are subject to perjury charges if they are untruthful.
The affidavits were originally posted by John Solomon of Just the News who was covering the story of the on again-off again certification process in Wayne County. What follows is the actual sworn statements of Willian Hartmann and Monica Palmer.
Harmann and Palmer had declined to certify the election, then reverse course after public comments were intimidating -combined with a promise to audit the vote, then reversed themselves for a second time, made sworn statements and released their statements after, as Just The News reported, “Palmer and Hartmann said Wednesday they learned that state officials had reneged or would not honor the audit, leaving them no recourse but to oppose certification until more investigation could be performed.”
The Affiant, William C. Hartmann, being first duly sworn, hereby deposes and states
- My name is William C. Hartmann. I am an adult citizen, voter, and resident
of the State of Michigan.
- Iam a member of the Board of Canvassers of Wayne County, Michigan.
- I personally observed the Absent Voter Counting Boards in Detroit at TCF
- Since the election on November 3«, I have attended the Wayne County
Canvass on an almost daily basis.
- On November 17, 2020, at 3:00 p.m. there was a meeting of the Board of
Canvassers to determine whether to certify the results of Wayne
County. The meeting did not start until 5:00 p.m. We were told it was
delayed so that representatives of the Democrat Board members could obtain
- At 5:00 p.m. an open meeting and discussion began to discuss the issue of
whether to certify the vote. In my review of the results, I determined that
approximately 71% of Detroit’s 134 Absent Voter Counting Boards
(AVCB) were left unbalanced and many unexplained. | informed the Board
members of the discrepancies, but soon thereafter, a motion to certify was
made by Vice-Chairman Jonathan Kinloch. After further discussion, I
renewed my concerns that the reason that the numbers did not balance for
the majority of AVCB’s in Detroit, and importantly, could not be
explained. If the vote totals did not match, there should have been a
documented reason explaining why.
. The Board considered the ultimate question of whether to certify the vote,
and the motion to certify the Wayne County elections failed 2-2.
. This vote was followed by public derision from our two democrat
colleagues. I, and Monica Palmer, who also voted against certification, were
berated and ridiculed by members of the public and other Board
members. This conduct included specious claims that I was racially
motivated in my decision. This public ostracism continued for hours during
which time we were not provided an opportunity to break for dinner and
were not advised that we could depart and resume the hearing on another
. I discussed a potential resolution with Vice-Chair Kinloch in confidence.
Ms. Anderson-Davis told us that we must vote to certify on that night. We
were told that we could not consider matters such as the unexplained reasons
that most of Detroit’s AVCB’s did not balance and no one knew why. We
were informed that this consideration was outside of the scope of the Board’s
- During the evening, Wayne County counsel, Ms. Janet Anderson-Davis, and
my colleagues on the Board, continued to discuss irregularities in the
AVCB’s. Ms. Anderson-Davis advised the Board that the discrepancies
were not a reason to reject the certification, and based on her explicit legal
guidance, I was under the belief that I could not exercise my independent
judgment in opposition to the certification. Therefore, I voted to certify the
11.Late in the evening, I was enticed to agree to certify based on the promise
that a full and independent audit would take place. I would not have agreed
to the certification but for the promise of an audit.
- Vice-Chairman Jonathan Kinloch then assured us that if we voted to certify
the election, a full, independent, and complete audit of Detroit’s election,
would be undertaken. We relied on this assurance in coming fo an
agreement. Without this assurance, I would not have agreed to certify
Wayne County on November 17+.
13.After the meeting, I was made aware that Michigan Secretary of State,
Jocelyn Benson made a public claim that the representations made by Mr.
Kinlock, on which we had relied, would not be followed.
c. I am also concerned about the use of private monies directing
local officials regarding the management of the elections, how
those funds were used and whether such funds were used to pay
election workers. I have not received answers to these questions,
and I believe the people of Michigan deserve these
answers. Can we release the logs to the tabulators
demonstrating what happened in Detroit?
d. Why do the pollbooks, Qualified Voter Files, and final tallies not
match or balance?
e. 71% of Detroit AVCB’s did not balance, why not?
f. Did the chairperson of each of Detroit’s 134 AVCB’s keep logs
of shift changes?
g. Why were republicans not used in signing seals certified at the
end of the night on Monday, and Wednesday evening before
ballot boxes were documented, closed, and locked?
h. How many challenged ballots were counted?
i. Was any information placed directly into the Qualified Voter
Files in the AVCB’s?
j. How many voter birthdates were altered in the pollbooks?
k. Were ballots counted in TCF that were not reflected in the
electronic pollbook or paper supplemental list?
- Based upon information and belief, there were over 18,000 same-
day registrations in Detroit on November 3. Were these new
applicants verified as proper voters prior to the tabulation of their
18.I voted not to certify, and I still believe this vote should not be certified.
19.Until these questions are addressed, I remain opposed to certification of the
Wayne County results.
- The above information is true to the best of my information, knowledge,
I certify under penalty of perjury, that my statement and the evidence submitted
with it, are all true and correct.
I, Monica Palmer, being first duly sworn, and under oath, state:
lam the Chairperson of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
The Board is a four-member board, required to have two Republican and
two Democrat members, and I serve as one of the Republican members.
On August 4, 2020, the Michigan primary election was held.
. On August 18, 2020, the Board held a public meeting at the Board’s office
in Detroit. I attended the meeting with the other three members of the
. The Board reviewed the Wayne County election results and considered
whether to certify the August 4, 2020 primary election.
. As reflected in the meeting minutes, Wayne County Election Director
Gregory Mahar gave the Board a report at the meeting that included the
® Staff encountered difficulties while trying to canvass the
City of Detroit absentee precincts. “He indicated that
aside from receiving the poll books on the first Friday
and Sunday after the canvass began, the list of voters
received made it difficult to determine how many voters
actually returned their ballot. He reported that the City of
Detroit used the QVF printed list of voters but there was
also a handwritten list of voters, which is common to use
both, but the two lists combined put the precincts
severely out of balance.”
* “Director Mahar also reported on the difficulties staff
encountered with trying to retabulate any absentee
precincts that were out of balance. He stated that
according to the Election Management system, he could
see the City of Detroit did not scan a single precinct
within a batch. When multiple precincts are scanned
within a batch, it makes it nearly impossible to retabulate
a precinct without potentially disrupting a perfectly
* “Deputy Director Jennifer Redmond reported on the
irregularities she encountered while trying to retabulate
out of balance precincts. She indicated that in some cases
staff could not retabulate because the number of physical
ballots counted in the container did not match the number
of voters according to the poll book. Staff also requested
the applications to vote for Detroit precinct 444 and
precinct 262. Both containers ha[d] fewer ballots in the
container than the number of voters according to the poll
book, but what was strange was there appeared to be
some missing applications.” 4.
It was reported that in the August 2020 primary that 72% of Detroit’s
absentee voting precincts were out of balance.
After discussion among the Board members, | voted along with all the other
canvassers in a unanimous vote in favor of certifying the August 4, 2020
9. Although certifying the primary election results, all Board members
expressed serious concerns about the irregularities and inaccuracies. The
Board unanimously approved a proposed joint resolution titled “Requesting
a State Election Monitor and Investigation” that stated “Now Therefore Be it
Resolved That, The Board of Canvassers for the County of Wayne,
Michigan, request for the Secretary of State as Michigan’s Chief Election
Officer, to appoint a monitor to supervise the training and administration of
the City of Detroit, Absentee Voter Counting Boards in the 2020 November
General Election. Be it Finally Resolved, That, the Board of Canvassers for
the County of Wayne, Michigan, request an investigation be conducted by
the State Department of Elections into the training and processes used by the
City of Detroit in the 2020 August Primary Election.”
10. On November 3. 2020, the general election was held. I went to observe
the election process at the TCF Center on November 3, 2020 and
November 4, 2020.
11. Since November 5, I went to the Wayne County Canvas almost every day
and helped the Wayne County staff.
12. On November 17, 2020, there was a board of Canvassers meeting
scheduled to start at 3:00pm to determine whether or not to certify the
November election. The meeting did not begin until 4:46pm.
13. Minutes before the meeting began at 4:46pm, | was given a report on the
final canvas. We were not given an executive summary which was
customary at most other certification meetings.
14. During this meeting. I determined that more than 70% of Detroit’s 134
Absent Voter Counting Boards (AVCB) did not balance and many had no
explanation to why they did not balance.
15. Vice-Chair Kinloch made a motion to certify the vote. I noted our prior
reservations about unbalanced precincts in August 2020 and determined
the record had discrepancies and irregularities and was incomplete.
16. A motion was made to certify the vote, and I voted not to certify. The
vote to certify the Wayne County elections failed 2-2.
17. After the vote, my Democrat colleagues chided me and Mr. Hartmann for
voting to not certify.
18. After the vote, public comment period began and dozens of people made
personal remarks against me and Mr. Hartmann. The comments made
accusations of racism and threatened me and members of my family. The
public comment continued for over two hours and | felt pressured to
continue the meeting without break.
19. After several hours of harsh comments, Vice-Chair Kinloch suggested a
potential resolution. Wayne County Corporate Counsel Janet Anderson-
Davis told me that I had to certify the vote that night. She told the
members their role was ministerial and they could not use their discretion
on matters like the record being incomplete. We were told that discretion
was outside the board’s authority.
20. After being told by Ms. Anderson-Davis that | could not use my
discretion regarding the anomalies, | believed I had no choice but to certify
the results despite my desire to oppose certification based on the
21. Additionally, we were presented with a resolution that promised a full,
independent audit that would present answers to the incomplete record. |
voted to agree to certify based on the promise of a full. independent audit.
I would not have agreed to vote to certify but for that promise of a full,
22. Vice-Chairman Jonathan Kinloch gave me assurances that voting for the
certification of the November election would result in a full, independent
audit of Detroit’s unbalanced precincts. I relied on that assurance and
voted to certify the election based on that assurance. Without that
assurance I would not have voted to certify the Wayne County November
23. Later that evening, | was sent statements that Secretary Jocelyn Benson
made saying that she did not view our audit resolution to be binding. Her
comments disputed the representations made by Vice-Chair Kinloch on
which I relied.
24. Asa result of these facts, | rescind my prior vote to certify Wayne County
25. | fully believe the Wayne County vote should not be certified,
26. The Wayne County election had serious process flaws which deserve
investigation. I continue to ask for information to assure Wayne County
voters that these elections were conducted fairly and accurately, Despite
repeated requests, | have not received the requisite information and believe
an additional 10 days of canvas by the State Board of Canvassers will help
provide the information necessary.
27. | initially voted not to certify the election, and I still believe this vote
should wot be certified and the State Board of Canvassers should canvass for
an additional period.
28. Until these questions are addressed, | remain opposed to certification of the
Wayne County results.
The above information is true to the best of my information, knowledge.
I certify under penalty of perjury, that my statement and the evidence submitted
rn to before me this 18. day of November 2020
JANICE L. DANIELS
NOTARY PUBLIC – STATE OF MICHIGAN
COUNTY OF OAKLAND
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