A federal judge has heard arguments from both sides in a lawsuit involving election tabulation machines in Arizona, local NBC News 12 reported on Friday.
The lawsuit pits two high-profile candidates against each other, Republican candidate for governor Kari Lake and Democrat candidate Katie Hobbs, who is also Secretary of State.
Lake, along with Republican Secretary of State candidate Mark Finchem, is suing the Arizona Secretary of State’s office and Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, claiming tabulation machines cannot be trusted and should not be used to count votes.
The plaintiffs are asking U.S. District Court Judge John Tuchi to order the removal of electronic machines from elections so Arizona’s two largest counties employ a hand count instead.
“We’re hoping we can get rid of these electronic voting machines. We know they are very easily corruptible. They can be hacked very easily,” Lake said Thursday morning in an interview with 12News. Lake has espoused at least four different election conspiracy theories that are baseless.
“This is quite frankly a waste of court resources and a waste of taxpayer dollars,” said Katie Hobbs Thursday morning during a news conference.
A witness for the defense, Maricopa County Elections Director Scott Jarrett, testified a hand count would require 25,000 temporary employees and 2 million square feet of space. Jarrett compared the space needed for such an operation to State Farm Stadium in Glendale.
Election security consultant Ryan Macias testified for the defense. Macias described physical and software security measures that are implemented to keep elections secure. He said he has seen “anomalies” that have been detected on tabulation software in other states. However he is not aware of any “intrusion” of election systems, he said.
Macias said a hand count would be less accurate than machines.
While Macias was on the stand, attorneys for the plaintiffs told the judge they had a video showing Macias attempted to get into the Cyber Ninjas audit in 2020 at the Veteran’s Memorial Coliseum by “posing” as a member of the news media. Macias denied the allegation and said people involved with the audit were already aware he was going to show up. Attorneys for Lake pressed the issue. Attorneys for Hobbs said they wanted to see the video. The judge said the hearing was not a forum to present evidence and there was no need to show the video anyways.
At one point, attorney Andrew Parker, representing the plaintiffs, said a hand count tally would give voters more confidence in the election.
“Voting and machines don’t go together. We shouldn’t try to pound them together,” Parker said.
Judge Tuchi responded by saying he didn’t agree that people would have more faith in a hand count than a computer.
Judge Tuchi did not indicate when he will make a decision about the injunction request. He said the plaintiffs have one week to respond to issues raised in the hearing.
Brannon Howse and Pete Santilli deconstructed the court day- in great detail- and added some interesting commentary.
BRANNON HOWSE: The plaintiffs were Kari Lake who’s running for governor in Arizona and representative Mark Fincham who’s running for Secretary of State in Arizona, there is an injunction, to get a read of the voting machine because of their vulnerability there.
So the judge yesterday, asked a lot of questions. And at one point, one of these so-called experts brought in by the defense was asked who pays his bill to be an expert. He answers it. That answer gives us the ability now to show you who he’s talking about and connect some serious dots.
I don’t know of anyone else doing what we’re about to do.
PETE SANTILLI: Mike Lindell is at the tip of the spear has been leading this effort on since January. Never before has all this information and aggregated and brought into focus.
This is the Apex, in history, he is leading that and what happened that the Apex took place yesterday.
We were able to glean some very important news that we’re going to, all right? This is channel 12. Of News, NBC out of Arizona. Here’s the headline federal judge holds hearing on Arizona. Voting tabulation machines. The lawsuit pit two high-profile candidates against each other. Republican candidate for governor Kari Lake and Democrat candidate Katie Hobbs, and an election security consultant. Ryan Macias has testified for the defense but see us describe physical and software security measures that are implemented to keep elections secure.
He said he was seeing, he has seen anomalies that have been detected on tabulation software However, he is not aware of any quote, intrusion, in court, of election systems.
He said, a hand count would be less accurate than machines. While Macias was on the stand attorneys for the plaintiffs told the judge that they had a video showing Macias attempted to get into the Cyber Ninjas Audit in 2020 at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum by posing as a member of the News Media.
Macias denied the allegation and said, people involved with the audit were already aware that he was going to show up attorneys for Lake and press the issue now.
This guy Macias was brought in as a so-called expert yesterday in this hearing to get rid of the machine, he was a witness for the defense as an expert, listen to what the attorney asked him and listened to his response. We aired it. Here is the audio. Listen to this:
When were you first retained for this case.
In the past week.
And you have to change your schedule to get out of here and testify. Yes, I did. You get paid for this testimony and Sam. And how? Are you being paid for the festival? It is an hourly rate of 250 dollars for non-testimony and $350 for Testimony. You do the daily pay yet.
Who is it? That is pay the state United democracy Center, these States United democracy Center. It is the whole counsel to the Secretary of State.
What is that organization to? They are a nonpartisan organization. NGO non-governmental organization.
And, and what do you base that on? That’s my knowledge is Taylor and I should actually step back on that and say I do not know if they’re nonpartisan or if they are bipartisan. I should say, they are not a partisan organization.
But my question is, what would you base that statement on?
BRANNON HOWSE: He says they’re not partisan baloney but let’s get into it. Look at the screenshots of the States United Democracy Center here is their own website.
While the so-called audit of the Maricopa County 2020, presidential election results is on pause this week for graduation ceremonies, the chaos, it has created You they go on to refer it as a product product and look at the last paragraph in an effort to update the public and amplifying the growing chorus of bipartisan voices, in opposition to the audit, the state United democracy Center, convened, a press briefing, with Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs and three elections, experts Elizabeth, Howard, Jennifer morale, and Ryan Macias.
So we see, he is indeed, as he said, working with the state United Democracy Center. Now, who is this? This includes Norm, Eisen founder and executive chair.
And of course, we see two other ladies, which many of you might remember, Kristin Christine Todd Whitman from the George W Bush days. Well, I won’t even go over there. Get into that. But look at Norm Eisen, Norm Eisen. All right.
Who is Norm Eisen? Here’s a Breitbart article- saying Norm Eisen Democrat. Impeachment Council link to George Soros. Oh yeah, this is
Hopefully a bipartisan, dude, right? He was involved in the Democratic impeachment counsel against Donald Trump and his link to George Soros on real bipartisan character.
And that was just the tip of the iceberg- for what these two have exposed and linked together.
The Howse -Santilli video went on in great detail about the vast amount of knowledge that lay people have about who is overthrowing elections- it should be enough to look at election integrity with seriousness.
Howse and Santilli tied many of the players together-with a concentrated effort to have a revolution in the United States of America.